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m.j.sorokin Member
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I use Bus translator configurator V1.0.1.0 for testing knx commands i used ETS4 and Logic Machine 5 From web interface logic machine i set value for group witch send from knx to c-bus its work fine. But when i try change value c-bus group from toolkit its dont translate to knx. Configuration witch download from cbus knx transator in attachment. In broshure (http://www.cytech.biz/download_files.php?item_id=296) says that device can translate Aircondition cbus aplication, how i can translate data from cbus thermostat, witch dont have address for each parametrs but have address communication group? Attachment: Test_ctrl.zip (Downloaded 4 times) Last edited on Friday Dec 23rd, 2016 09:52 pm by m.j.sorokin |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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On the knx module (PC01-035B) on the other side there is no element С108. Is it Ok? |
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slychiu Administrator 
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Do you mean that you cannot send any cbus commands to KNX, or are you referring to the Airconditioning Application only? In fact there is an error in the brochure. The Cbus airconditioning application is not supported directly, as there is not a KNX type that can receive all the airconditioning application commands so it is not possible to directly convert to KNX I understand that you can change the application to Lighting using Cbus toolkit What do you want to achieve Do not worry about C108 |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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Thanks for the answer. These are two different issues. Regarding the thermostats everything is clear. The main problem is that group addresses of c-bus not transferred to the knx network. I tried to translate group adress from diferent aplication (standart light aplication 56, and custom alication 70). I tried to change the values of group addresses from the toolkit software and through key switches, but the changes dont transmit to knx... I also tried to use the "learn" function, the device receives the correct addressing of c-bus aplication and group address. |
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admin Administrator 
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Your test_ctrl file only has custom application 70 in Cbus to KNX Forget about custom application for now. Just try a Lighting application, select a Cbus group address and map to a KNX lighting group address This should definately work |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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i test that variant, it's dont work... in attachment last tested config. Attachment: Test_ctrl2.0.zip (Downloaded 3 times) Last edited on Saturday Dec 24th, 2016 02:16 pm by m.j.sorokin |
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admin Administrator
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Please check the state of the diagnostic leds on the module below. This should give an idea what is wrong. perhaps a power supply issue on the cbus or KNX side
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m.j.sorokin Member
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D4 "RDY" (Green) - Always ON //Indicates Power On. D5 "IN0" (Red) - Blink when send data from c-bus network //Blinks when CBUS telegram is received from CBUS. D6 "OUT0" (Red) - Blink when send data from c-bus network //Blinks when CBUS telegram is sent to CBUS. Remains on when no acknowledgment is received from CBUS after outgoing telegram. D7 "ERR0" (Red) - Steady when CBUS is not connected or CBUS power supply is not on, or when the CBUS interface is not initialised or has an initialisation error. D7 flashes continuously when the EEPROM is blank, ie unprogrammed. Both D7 and D10 both flash continuously if the U2 EEPROM is not present. D8 "IN1" (Red) - Blink when send data from c-bus network //Blinks when KNX telegram is received from KNX. D9 "OUT1" (Red) - Blinks when KNX telegram is sent to KNX. Steady when no acknowledgment is received from CBUS after outgoing telegram.D10 "ERR1" (Red) - Steady when KNX is not connected or KNX power supply is not on, or when the KNX interface is not initialised or has an initialisation error. Both D7 and D10 both flash continuously if the U2 EEPROM is not present. D11 (Green) - blinks when data is received from the USB Port. D12 (Red) - Blink when send data from c-bus and KNX networks //blinks when data is sent to the USB Port. LD1 (Red) - Always ON (but burden on this module is off) // on CBUS Submodule. On when Burden is enabled LD2 (Red) - Always ON, Blink when send data from c-bus network //on CBUS Submodule. ON Steady when idle, Blinks during CBUS communication. LD3 (Green) - OFF (but clock ON on this module, and network voltage via toolkit network diagnostic 30,1V) //on CBUS Submodule. OFF when Network Voltage is low or Clock is not present. ON Steady when Voltage and Clock are present. Flashing when Bus Voltage is marginal (15-20V) Last edited on Monday Dec 26th, 2016 05:26 pm by m.j.sorokin |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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I test only liting aplication, i delete in config group address from another application. It worked! but how to be with other applications? |
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slychiu Administrator
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Zones, Lighting, Security, Clocks and Timekeeping, Trigger applications are supported directly by Cbus to KNX. Custom, applications may also be used depending on what they are However you have entered Application 70 and 71. These are not known applications in Cbus. There are no such applications so they may be causing problems in Cbus Note that the application numbers are in Decimal in Cbus to KNX for example Lighting application is 56 in decimal application 70 is $46, and 71 is $47 are not defined Which applications are you trying to use? |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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In this case, the device does not work with all the claimed features! Application 56 "Lighting" in my project is almost entirely filled with light groups. And i need use additional aplications for send and recive data for other systems (Air Conditiones, ventilation, UPS...) managment and control from Color Touch Screens of c-bus... Aplication like Zones, Security and Trigers are not suitable for these purposes. I need to use an application such as light, but with a different address, so that I could self-define the values of these groups in the range from 0 to 255. In the description specified that I can use the custom application, and the software allows this configuration. Why, in fact, this feature does not work? And still like to clarify one issue. The brochure is specified that the device can transmit group adress with the types of Floating Point (2-byte), and Scaling (1-byte). In any c-bus applications and group adress I can use these types? Last edited on Thursday Dec 29th, 2016 10:14 pm by m.j.sorokin |
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slychiu Administrator
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The Cbus to KNX translator was not designed to support the HVAC and Ventilation Applications. You will not be able to make these work using Custom applications It does support Custom applications. However using Invalid or reserved application numbers like 70 and 71 may cause problems in CBUS not related to this product Custom applications must be able to map to the supported KNX Address Types On/Off, Relative DIM, Floating Point, Scaling. If they cannot be mapped then it will not work As the manual explains about Floatng point and Scaling KNX types
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m.j.sorokin Member
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You write that the compiler supports custom applications. But there can be problems in the c-bus network with these groups... I tested the transfer of these groups on the network, via the touch screen, the group changed and transmitted within the network. Problems occur on your device during transmission from c-bus network to knx. For testing, I used the following tools: For c-bus network: USB conection to network (5500PACA) and C-bus Toolkit v.1.14.6- --- For KNX network: TCP/IP connection to WEB interface of Logic Machine 5 (Openrb) For Cytech c-bus knx translator: USB connection and Bus Translator Configurator v.1.0.1.0 (config in attachment) In this video I use only group Lighting applications (56). Transmission in both directions is operating normally. https://youtu.be/fVh3c1QOEk4 In this video I use the application 49. It is evident that the group is transferred to the c-bus network. Even in the logs of your device can be seen that from a c-bus network comes status changes of this group.But changes dont transmit to KNX network. https://youtu.be/0cLSgiX23mg Custom application groups has type like groups in Lighting (56) application. And can be set ON, OFF, or ramped from 0 to 255. Attachment: Tested config.zip (Downloaded 1 time) Last edited on Monday Jan 16th, 2017 01:57 pm by m.j.sorokin |
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slychiu Administrator
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You are saying that when you use custom application 49 like a lighting application, you can send the lighting command from Cbus, but it is not sent to KNX How about in the other direction, does the mapped KNX group send to cbus work? I could not foillow the video |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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From knx to c-bus groups transmit normaly. link to video dont work? |
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slychiu Administrator
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We will look into this issue, perhaps a potential bug |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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Thank you. Please take this matter in the near future, since I have a fixed period of time to work the change. If I do what I can to help, ready to give any information or to conduct any testing equipment. |
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slychiu Administrator
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Can you test the cvus to knx firmware 1.006 attached to see if it will enable to custom application Note that you can use custom applications 48 ($30) to 95 ($5F) as alternate Lighting applications. Other applications not recognised are still not accepted Attachment: cbusknx1_006.zip (Downloaded 3 times) |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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Excellent! I check everything on Monday and the results write. |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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Today I tested the firmware cbusknx1_006. In general, everything works  . But there are a few comments:1. Application â„–95 ($5F) are reserved for the network Dali. You can add any other application that is not reserved in the C-bus Toolkit software? 2. The system provided for in Application â„–136 ($ 88) - Heating. It works as well as the Application â„–56 ($38) - Lights. You could not just add it to use? ****Just wanted to clarify the next moment, whether it is possible in any of the c-bus application use variables type integer or Float? Or is it in the c-bus is not possible? |
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slychiu Administrator
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we can remove the restriction any any application address in Custom , as long as everyone using the product knows which applications will work similar to Lighting I believe all aplications should accept the On/Off command. Other commands like dimming and Ramp may be handled diferently by other applicatioons |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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I'm sorry, but I'm not quite understand your answers. I tested the new firmware and the main problem has been resolved, but I would like you to be taken into account the following points (please answer as soon as possible): 1. Application №95 ($5F) in the c-bus network is reserved for the Dali protocol. I would like to have additional Application which is not reserved in C-bus Toolkit for any specialized tasks (besides the Application 48($30) which is already added). 2. Application №136 ($ 88) – Heating is being used also in C-bus Toolkit software. It works the same way as an Application №56 ($38). Could you please also include the ability to retransmit Application №136 ($ 88)? In addition I have a question related to the C-bus system: Is there any support in any Applications of using the variables such as integer or float, which may pass through Your device in the KNX network? Thank you for your quick feedback. Last edited on Wednesday Jan 25th, 2017 10:53 am by m.j.sorokin |
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slychiu Administrator
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You can try cbusknx 1.007 You can add other cbus applications which work like the lighgting application Integer and Float are not suppoprted Attachment: cbusknx1_007.zip (Downloaded 2 times) |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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which applications you have done work in this firmware? |
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slychiu Administrator
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There is no restriction on Custom applications as long as they work like the lighting application |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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Problem with firmware V1_007. Data from c-bus network Lighting Apl. 56 ($38) dont't transimt to knx network. From knx to c-bus work ok. test config in attachment. Test group 121 Attachment: config_with_problem_v1_007.zip (Downloaded 2 times) |
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slychiu Administrator
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We cannot see the problem at all like you mentioned In your file, you do not use Lighting application $38 (decimal 56) in Cbus to KNX There are only applications 48 and 136 mapped to KNX scaling objects (1 byte) what is working and what is not? are you sending cbus applications 48 and 136 to KNX and do these work? The version 1.007 simply allow any Cbus application number which is not 56 or Security application to be sent to KNX and behave just like a lighting application. It doe snot prveent lighting application from cbus to knx from working |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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  Attachment: Apl56_Group121_1.png (Downloaded 16 times) |
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slychiu Administrator
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do you mean that ONLY application 56 does not work and the other custyom applications do work, or all applications are not working from cbus to knx? |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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In this project i tested c-bus groups from Aplications 49, 56, 139. Transfer c-bus groups from applications 49 and 139 works correctly in both directions. Transfer c-bus groups from application 56 work only from KNX to C-Bus. C-bus Groups from Apl 56 dont transmit to KNX network. |
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slychiu Administrator
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That does not seem possible that Lighting application would not work now. Are you absolutely sure? can you change the Lighting application to Custom but use the same application 56 and see if there is any difference> |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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I thought in a moent there is a problem with the application coverage. When you add the address of the Heating Application â„–136 ($ 88), addresses of the Lighting Application 56 ($ 38) is not transmitted to the KNX network. And the second problem is that when you add addresses from a variety of custom applications, you can not assign them the same type. Like on the picture:  |
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slychiu Administrator
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When you add the address of the Heating Application â„–136 ($ 88), addresses of the Lighting Application 56 ($ 38) is not transmitted to the KNX network. Do you mean that when you add application 136 addresses, ALL Lighting application cannot be sent from Cbus to KNX, or just the group addfress that was used in 136? |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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When I use the groups from Application 136, the groups from aplication 56 is not transmitted to the knx. But groups from aplication 136 is transmitted to the knx. for example: If you use applications 56 and 48 Groups Apl 48 to KNX - ok Groups Apl 48 from KNX - ok Groups Apl 56 to KNX - ok Groups Apl 56 from KNX - ok If you use applications 56, 48, 136 Groups Apl 48 to KNX - ok Groups Apl 48 from KNX - ok Groups Apl 136 to KNX - ok Groups Apl 136 from KNX - ok Groups Apl 56 to KNX - dont transmit Groups Apl 56 from KNX - ok Last edited on Saturday Feb 4th, 2017 11:07 am by m.j.sorokin |
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slychiu Administrator
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are you sure you have done a write to EEPROM after the latest change? Many people forget especially if ythey have done a few changes Try a read from eeprom and see if the table cbus to knx is what you expect after doing read from eeprom, plrease savbe and send the cclx file to support@cytech.biz so we can test Last edited on Sunday Feb 5th, 2017 09:07 am by slychiu |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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slychiu wrote: are you sure you have done a write to EEPROM after the latest change? Yes, I did such a test when a fault is identified. Tomorrow I'll send the configuration from the device. |
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m.j.sorokin Member
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slychiu wrote: plrease savbe and send the cclx file to support@cytech.biz so we can test Config from device in attacment. But its btcx file... Attachment: Problem_Apl_56.zip (Downloaded 2 times) |
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slychiu Administrator
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We have managed to duplicate the bug when using Custom application causing the lighting application from cbus to KNX not to work A new firmware should be available soon after our testing |
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