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 Posted: Sunday Oct 2nd, 2016 07:12 am
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This is a case study for implementation of Partitions in the Cytech Office itself which was the first installation where this was used
See http://www.comfortforums.com/forum16/4491.html

Our office consists of 3 areas

General Office with R&D,  Admin-Partition 0
CP9001 and LEM01 with 16 zones
Keypads -  KT03, KP06A, KP04A, KP03
Alarm Zones - Wooden Entry Door, Glass Door, PIRs, smoke detector
Control - Lights,  KNX, Cbus, Zwave, Airconditioners
Access control - standalone keypad at front entrace
Door station - DS01

Assembly, Test and Repair Area with KP04A  - Partition 3
SEP01 and LEM01 with 16 zones
Keypad - KT03
Alarm Zones - Entry Door,  PIRs connected to the SEP01, although partition zones can be connected to CM9001 or or any slave for convenience of wiring.
Control - Lights,  Airconditioners
This has a separate entrance from the Main Office and is armed and disarmed independently from the Main office

Store for Components and Finished Goods  - Partition 1
Keypad - KP04A
Alarm Zones - Entry Door,  PIRs, smoke detector
The entrance is through the Assembly/Test area.
The alarm sensors are connected to the SEP01 in the Store.
Control - Lights
This is armed independently of the other 2 areas but access is through the Assembly/Test area so that partition must be disarmed before entering and disarming this one.


Partition 2 is not used. If no zones or no keypads are assigned to a partition then the partition is disabled.

The keypads in each Partition are assigned to that partition. Keypads can only be assigned to one partition.

The Door station at the main entrance will chime on the Keypads in that partition only. Each Door Station is assigned to 1 partition. Each Partition could also have their own door station.

16 users are each assigned to a combination of Partitions for disarming and arming. For example, User 1 is assigned to all partitions, user 2 3,4 for partition 0, user 10 for Partition 1 and 3, user 10 for partition 3.

In order to disarm a partition, the user has to sign in on a keypad in the partition and has to be enabled for the partition.

The Siren and Strobe are connected to the main office. A separate Siren and Strobe can also be connected to the SEP01. The Sirens and Strobes operate together whether connected to Comfort or SEP

When each partition is armed to Away Mode, the lights and appliances in the partition are switched off automatically using the Away Mode Response for each Partition




The Entry Alert for each partition is programmed to turn on a light for the partition

eg Entry Alert Response in Security Types
If Partition = 0 Then
    Do LobbyLight1OFF After 100 Seconds Using EntryLightTimer
    Do LobbyLight2ON
    Do LobbyLight1ON
Endif
If Partition = 1 Then
   Do Store Light On
End If
The Entry Alert "Alarm" is caused by opening an Entry Door when the security is armed. As the Entry Alarm can be caused by entry door in any partition, the action If Partition = xx allows the individual partition to be selected for processing


Security Off  can also turn on lights and appliances in the partition using the Security Off Response for the Partition.


Each Partition has their own independent Alarm State, Entry Path, keypads, users, so it appears to be 3 separate alrm systems. However the partitions share a single telephone line and Siren/strobe (although each slave can have siren and strobe connected).

When an alarm occurs in a partition, only the keypads in that partition  will sound the alarm, but the common Siren and strobe will turn on.

Time Programs automatically auto-arms each partition at different times in case the last person forgets to arm the partition. This is done in Time Program Response using the Set Partition Action. Set Partition sets the partition number for the following actions.

eg Time Program at 10 PM
Set Partition 0
  Autoarm Away mode
End If

In the example above, Autoarm Away mode acts on Partition 0

eg Time Program at 11 PM
Set Partition 1
  Autoarm Away mode
End If

Set Partition 3
  Autoarm Away mode
End If

In the example above, set partition 1 tells Autoarm Away mode to act on Partition 1 and then set Partition 3 tells auato arm to act on Partition 3.
If the Set  Partition action is missing, it will default to Partition 0, so Autoarm and other actions will assume partition 0


The Partitions feature is very useful for a business with different entrances or areas like this as it allows separate areas to be armed and disarmed independently. Prior to this beng available, the store KT03 had to have a complicated program where certain zones are set to 24 hours and are bypassed and unbypassed together. Programming or configuration of Partitions is simple.

Last edited on Monday Oct 3rd, 2016 09:46 am by slychiu



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Hi Chiu,

Just a few questions to make sure i understand this correctly. sorry if i have missed the answers else where.

1. Doe this mean if you partition you office/ property for whatever reason you cannot share the door station between these partitions?

2. Do they share the internal keypads for fire alarms?

3. Is it possible to share any device between partitions?

Thanks



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1. Does this mean if you partition you office/ property for whatever reason you cannot share the door station between these partitions?
Thats correct, door stations and partitions are for one partition only
If there is a separate building or room with a separate entrance, then there seems to be no good reason that door stations chime is heard everywhere.


2. Do they share the internal keypads for fire alarms?
Fire alarm zones are also in a partition, so the firee alarm is heard in the partition keypads. However fire alarm would trigger the siren and strobe which is common so all would hear it

3. Is it possible to share any device between partitions?
UCMs, IRIO, TSM and other modules have no partition. How do you want to share?



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Thanks Chiu.

I will be partitioning various buildings around my property and they have own keypad but if someone is at front door it would be good to know even if I am located in another partition.

Also I think it would be a good idea to have to have an option at least, to share the fire alarms between partitions. If I am working in one of the rooms in the garage and if the fire was in the house I might not hear or see the alarm even though I could be standing next to a keypad in the garage. I guess partitions were designed only for the same property so I think it would be advantageous for anyone on that property to know there is a fire in anyway possible.

Thanks.



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Thanks, perhaps we can look at the possibility



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Is there any possibility of increasing the ammount of partions into a system from 4, say up to 8 through a firmware upgrade in the future :cool:



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Now that is going too far, after all the difficulty in getting 4 partitions (more than 10 years work):shock:

why would you need so many partitions, anyway? what is it for, a house?



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I was talking to a client telling them that comfort system can be partitioned and he was curious if it could be used in a small block of six one bed flats that he has (converted house)



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more than 4 partitions leads to more complications
you can use 2 comforts with 3 partitions each?



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Just out of curiosity were you able to use the door station in more than one partition, I am in a position where i need to share the door station in more than one partition.....



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Yes each door station can have their own partitionYou need to upgrade to the latest firmware



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I was asking if 1 door station can be used in more than one partition. ie door station 1 activates keypad in partition 1 & 2
Or is it still the case door station can only be used in 1 partition?



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A door station can only be in 1 partition,  not 2 or more



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