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Hi,
Went about doing a bit of an internal clean up of the wiring in my main panel over the last few days, mainly cos i started to add a new sensor, and got annoyed at myself for not doing a tidier job of my internal panel wiring.
The messy bit i think is where a panel has multiple items requiring 12v power and coms cable, mine for example has 15 pirs (13 existing and 2 more to go), two keypads and 4 scs's, which adds up to a lot of 12v wiring and ka/kb connections.
I did use some connecting blocks to common a lot of it up, but still a bit messy, so was wondering what solutions were available to do this in a more formal manner, or if anyone had any tips, or photos of their panels to show as an example. Needless to say, I'm not overly happy with mine, its okay, but could be better.
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EamonLast edited on Monday Apr 16th, 2012 08:01 pm by wexfordman
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| Posted: Monday Apr 16th, 2012 08:43 pm |
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I am reinstalling my comfort after moving house.
All inputs and output connections are terminated off onto krone strips in a 520 cabinet that is next to the comfort panel power for the PIR's is fed to a couple of krone strips one for positive and one for negative.
Also have a ADM02 module in the 520 cabinet for connecting keypads etc
Will get some photo's when i have got it looking something like.Last edited on Monday Apr 16th, 2012 08:44 pm by bs85
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| Posted: Monday Apr 16th, 2012 08:47 pm |
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Cool thanks,
I am using krone blocks, but just for my velbus. On my comfort 1 system I had used krone blocks for all my comfort wiring, but prob with this is it is external to the panel and not protected, so does not meet standards unless you put it in an enclosure.
Krone is definately a neat solution though, was trying to see if I could fit a single krone block within the panel which would have been neat, but just couldnt wangle it!
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| Posted: Monday Apr 16th, 2012 08:51 pm |
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The cabinet is a lockable metal cabinet that will be wired to the tamper circuit of the main panel.
Labels look good, a lot better than my effort.
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| Posted: Monday Apr 16th, 2012 10:24 pm |
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bs85 wrote:
The cabinet is a lockable metal cabinet that will be wired to the tamper circuit of the main panel.
Labels look good, a lot better than my effort.
Cool, would be interested to see it when you have it done uf you can post some pictures. I have a spare comfort enclosure, might see if i can place that next to my main one and mount some krone in it!
On the labels, if you download it as excel, it should be proper dimensions when you print it off!
Thanks,
Eamon
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| Posted: Tuesday Apr 17th, 2012 09:01 pm |
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Hi
The cabling in my Comfort panel is getting a bit out of hand and I've also thought of installing a separate Krone enclosure.
One of the reasons my wiring is messy is that I have lots of unterminated cables (e.g there are 6 spare pairs from each PIR sensor attached by an 8 pair cable).
I keep the spare pairs just in case they are needed in the future! Do you chop them off or keep them? How do you guys manage the spare pairs?
Thanks
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| Posted: Saturday Apr 21st, 2012 02:42 pm |
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I have wired many Comfort units.
Firstly plan the inuts out puts UCM's etc and don not over crowd the enclosure.
MAKE SURE mains feeds are away from alarm cables etc.
If you plan the layout start with MDC's or contact that have no power. Strip back the cables to the same length and tie back the spare cables - the cables to Z1 Z2 cable tie and before cutting to length loop around your finger -when the terminal strip goes onto the board use the loop as a spare length of cable so that the terminal black can be removed without disturbing the loom should the need arise.
If you can then move onto powered sensors such as PIR's ideally if you have an LEM then wire these into the LEM the power cables should be separated and bought out to a terminal strip. If you label them in pairs then they can easily be removed for diagnostics should there be a fault.
Group keypad cables together - group doorphone cables together.
The really messy one is always going to be the bell box cable.
Make sure that you can run the cables in a loom and ideally use a slotted cable trunking so that you can make a really neat job.
Don't be tempted to keep adding to the same enclosure - ideally use a separate enclosure for multiple UCM's etc.
Also I have provided Cytech with wiring colour code charts in the past.
Hope that this helps
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| Posted: Saturday Apr 21st, 2012 08:40 pm |
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Cut the outer cable back to the same point for each cable
get a cable tie base and cable tie them all together about 10mm back
twist the cables together in the order of your coulour code
i.e. red and black, blue/yellow, green/white
the attached picture will give you the idea.
I wouldn't recommend Krone Strips for alarm cable they are designed for solid cable and can cause false alarms with stranded alarm cable as the connections can come loose over time
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| Posted: Saturday Apr 21st, 2012 08:52 pm |
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This is one we were called too recently
best describes as a snakes wedding!
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Well you have explain it very well, I got answers of all quarries, keep sharing such type of information in future too.
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wexfordman wrote: if anyone had any tips, or photos of their panels to show as an example.
We're not Comfort Installers (yet) but here is how the majority of our panels are installed..
I think it's exceptionally neat but then we do this day in day out so it should be!Attachment: RFS Neatly Installed Galaxy Intruder Panel.jpeg (Downloaded 163 times)
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rfs wrote:
We're not Comfort Installers (yet) but here is how the majority of our panels are installed..
I think it's exceptionally neat but then we do this day in day out so it should be!
Well, why not?
I hope you do start installing (neat) comforts
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| Posted: Monday Feb 24th, 2014 11:09 am |
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slychiu wrote: rfs wrote:
We're not Comfort Installers (yet) but here is how the majority of our panels are installed..
I think it's exceptionally neat but then we do this day in day out so it should be!
Well, why not?
I hope you do start installing (neat) comforts
Just looking at the moment.. Particularly at the sections on approval as we're SSAIB so it may have an impact on us.
Is there a list of approved (do you run an approval program?) installers - be interesting to know if there are any near us already.
The trouble with your kit is I suspect 95% of users will want to "play" with the equipment themselves which is a scary thought for us (think design liability, equipment malfunction or worse case fail to perform in a genuine break in).
I'm not saying it's a DIY panel but I think it's more than likely DIY'ers will purchase and install (perhaps incorrectly).
Am I way off??
And also, as an alarm system and nothing else - it's way too expensive. You would really have to use it to the max to get anywhere near your monies worth.
But it looks good and I particularly like the CBUS interface..
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Maybe the "UUgh" is because it is not a Comfort?
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Ah. It's just not suitable for everyday installs is all..
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