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dcrera Comfort Installers 
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Hi, I just upgraded to the new Comfort Gen II board. The main reason for the upgrade was to use 4 Rios and 8 Scence switches. I am using the new Configurator V2.1.0. When I try to increase the Number of SCS/RIO, it would not allowed more than 8 (range 0 to 8). Please let this be a Configurator issue and NOT an issue with the new board. What would be a work around as I set this weekend to complete my installation. PLease help REUBEN South Africa |
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slychiu Administrator 
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It is a problem with Comfigurator which limits the number to 8 Use your keypad to set the number of SCS/RIO in Location 1676, then reset The next version will have this fixed |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, What would happen when I do a download, would it reset it back to 8 ? |
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slychiu Administrator
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yes, it would |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Thanks, When can we expect a software fix ? |
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ident Administrator 
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The next version 2.2.0 of Comfigurator is a major upgrade and is many months away In the meantime I think this workaround can handle the situation as you would not need to download so often regards |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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I still have problems 1. Setting location 1676 to 9 and using ANY of the 7 available addresses( I used 8 already) gives me a communication failure 89. 2. The SCS/RIO in Comfigurator only handles 64 responses 129 -193 (129 + (8 X 8)). This is major set back for me as this is my third upgrade to just accomodate my installation of 12 RIOS/SCS. Months away from the next release is disappointing. What's my alternatives/work around (if any, at this stage) ? Thanks |
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ident Administrator
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Have you set the ID switches for J1 (A to D) for ID 9 accordiing to the RIO Manual? You should not be seeing Commmunications Failure 89 if it is correct You should also reset Comfort after changing the location 1676 There are locations for programming RIO responses oncxe you have fixed the communications problem |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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The chances of me not setting the jumper settings incorrectly is pretty much slim at this stage considering I have 8 such address already working. I did reset the system after setting location 1676 to 9. It is a Scene switch that is giving me this problem not a RIO. Would you get a communication error if there are no responses associated with an address ? May I be bold in asking whether the Comfort GEN II has been tested for more than 8 RIO/SCS ? If yes, what could the problem be other than an incorrect address ? Thanks Reuben Last edited on Saturday Sep 9th, 2006 11:44 am by dcrera |
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adlim Member 
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Hi Reuben, When you said "Setting location 1676 to 9 and using ANY of the 7 available addresses( I used 8 already) gives me a communication failure 89", do you mean to say that you tried to change the ID jumpers without resetting the SCS/RIO after doing so?? The SCS/RIO would need a power cycle as well after you change the jumpers. To program the responses, you could make use of keypad programming at this stage. Regards. |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, When you said "Setting location 1676 to 9 and using ANY of the 7 available addresses( I used 8 already) gives me a communication failure 89", do you mean to say that you tried to change the ID jumpers without resetting the SCS/RIO after doing so?? The SCS/RIO would need a power cycle as well after you change the jumpers. Yes I did a reset Would the SCS led's flash if no reponse is associated with a switch ? Where can I find the doco to load SCS/RIO reponses via the keypad ? Is there a .bat file I can use to upload these using RS232 comms ? |
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adlim Member
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Yes, the SCS LED will flash if no response is assigned to the buttons and the button is pressed as mentioned in the SCS manual under "LED indicator". Guess you would need to read up the "Action Codes Reference" and "Engineer Menu Programming" to get an idea of how to program using the keypad. There is no executable file for the response assignment at the moment. |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, This is a slog. You know what I need to do, can you assist me by giving me the reference page numbers of the "Action Codes Reference" and "Engineer Menu Programming" manual to fast track this process. Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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You will have to solve the problem as to why the RIO is not being detected. Comms failure 89 means that Comfort is not seeing the RIO on ID 9. That is regardless of whther Comfort II works with 15 RIOs or not (which it does). As Adrian says, power off and on the RIO after setting the ID The updated RIO manual showing the Locations for programming RIO responses is now on the website in the Manuals section. This gives you the locations to proram the responses using the keypad in Engineer Menu 7,4,1 (Locations Menu) Last edited on Monday Sep 11th, 2006 01:32 pm by slychiu |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, Thanks, will play around with this during the week and will feedback with my progress. I noticed that the location numbers are different for RIO 1- 8 in file system 24 compared to file 34. So guess that my current 8 RIO/SCS would have new locations after converting from 24 to 34 file system. Last edited on Monday Sep 11th, 2006 02:04 pm by dcrera |
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slychiu Administrator
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No, the RIO locations for File System 24 and 34 are identical Locations for File System 18 are different from that of 24 and 34 Please note that for File system 24 and 34, each Response requires 2 locations as explained in that section aboujt the locations |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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You are quite right, yet again.  Seems like I missed a system reset somewhere for comms failure 89, so that fine. Implementing RIO 9, I go the location menu and select 4736 and I am prompted for a code. I assumed this code to be a response number, so I entered 181 for 4736 and 4738. I then went to the programming response menu Entered response no 181# then 128,181,2,128,193,2,255 I did a system reset Undid and replaced the power on the SCS Pressed button 1 and it flashes non stop. My intention was to toggle the state of output 181 (from RIO7) and 193 (RIO9) What am I missing ? NB : On RIO 7, I have the following outputs still available 181 to 184 (unused) Last edited on Monday Sep 11th, 2006 05:34 pm by dcrera |
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adlim Member
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Hi, I suspect that you might have left out programming locations 4737 and 4739. Guess you might have missed out on this point in the worksheet: "Response Numbers have to be entered in 2 successive Locations. If the Response number is less than 256, enter the Response number in the 1st location and enter 0 in the next location. For example to enter Response 123 for SCS/RIO ID 1, Input 2 - ON Response, enter 123 in Location 4484 and 0 in Location 4485. If the Response number is greater than 255, divide the number by 256, and enter the remainder in the first location and the quotient in the 2nd location. For example, to enter Response 1000 in SCS/RIO ID 1, Input 2 - ON Response, 1000/256 = 3+ 232/256. Enter 232 in Location 4484 and 3 into Location 4485" What you have programmed are actually the ON/OFF responses instead. Hope this helps. |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, You can't possibly be serious !! This is becoming quite tedious, how long did you say before the next release of Comfigurator ? As an interim solution, take my example of the outputs I want to toggle, is it possible for you to put this formula/calculation on a spreadsheet and indicate with columns would be used in the location codes ? A detailed flow of my example would be a nice place to start. Your co-operation will be highly appreciated |
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slychiu Administrator
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If you response numbers are less than 256 then it is simple, just set the next location to 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Implementing RIO 9, I go the location menu and select 4736 and I am prompted for a code. I assumed this code to be a response number, so I entered 181 for 4736 and 4738. I then went to the programming response menu Entered response no 181# then 128,181,2,128,193,2,255 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In your example above, you just need to set Location 4737 and 4739 to 0 I dont think it is that challenging |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Fine, I will give it a try and will feedback tonight on my progress. Just for my clarity, if my response no was, let say 196, then 196 would be entered in location 4736 and 4738 , 0 in location 4737 and 4739. And this string 128,181,2,128,193,2,255 would read like this : Toggle output 181 (Rio output) Toggle output 193 (Scs Led output) I just want to clear up any confusion with Reponse 181 and output 181 from my previous example. Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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dcrera wrote: Fine, I will give it a try and will feedback tonight on my progress. That is correct |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Thanks a stack |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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YES, it's working. Thanks again |
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slychiu Administrator
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I am sure you had no doubts that it would work  |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Sure, it's just cumbersome work. Thanks for all your assistance. Last edited on Wednesday Sep 13th, 2006 10:38 am by dcrera |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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I am a sucker for punishment; any day of the week. Well, I thought that having an LCD keypad (KP04) would help with programming via the keypad (I changed from KP02), just to see that I am keying in the right info. It turns out that my UCM is version 5.43 and not 5.72 so syncing is not possible. Seems I need another upgrade for my UCM. When I download to update the vocab, would it undo all my work I did on setting up location 1676, and my new responses ? Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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For Vocab Download you need UCM 5.92 firmware This version allows you to sync with the KP04 by pressing two keys. It will allso do a normal download much faster than an older version As yoiur version 5.43 was released many years ago, it is not able to support these new requirements for the KP04 and Comfort II. |
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adlim Member
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However, please note that the pressing of two buttons (* and 1) to sync would require KP04 of version 1.03 and above. |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Fine, When I do get to do the download, would it effect any changes I am making via the Eng Menu ? Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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dcrera wrote: Fine, A Vocab download would not affect the programming at all A normal program download would change the Numb ber of RIO/SCS. However it should not affect the locations that you are programming for RIO 9 to 15 Responses as these are not within the programmed range of RIO 1 to 8 To play safe do a Selectve download, uncheck Modules and settings and RIO/SCS responses |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Thanks |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Last edited on Tuesday Oct 17th, 2006 01:52 pm by dcrera |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi Chiu, I decided that I will wait for a new release of Comfigurator. Any idea when we could expect one that will handle 15 SCS/RIO's ? Thanks |
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We expect that to be available in November |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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That's great. Thank You |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi Chiu, Do you have a release date in November ? Is there a beta version to handle 15 RIO/SCS for the interim? Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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I cannot promise an availability date yet, but it will be released as beta first. The 15 RIOs will definately be included |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi, I have some time off during the Christmas period. Any possibilities for a beta release before Christmas ? Thanks Last edited on Wednesday Nov 22nd, 2006 12:38 pm by dcrera |
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slychiu Administrator
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We expect beta release in November so you have plenty of time before Xmas |
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slychiu Administrator
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Sorry, make that early December |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Thanks, I will be on the look out |
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slychiu Administrator
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Comfigurator 2.1.2 (beta) is available with 15 SCS/RIO, see http://www.comfortforums.com/forum20/369.html |
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dcrera Comfort Installers
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Hi Guys, A big thank you for this release. My HA project is finally done. I had no issues with this release, all worked just fine for me. Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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Great. I hope you have many more projects like that |
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