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 Posted: Sunday Aug 13th, 2006 10:28 am
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Hi eveyone,

great product - I had alot of fun playing with them at the CEDIA expo.

Is there any news on the comfort products becoming EN50131 accredited?  We're SSAIB registered but we would really like to install the comfort products as it provides a great mix of homeautomation and security services

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Jon



 Posted: Thursday Aug 17th, 2006 01:47 pm
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Implementation of these new European regulations will mean a big change in the way the system is used and to the convenience of users.
For example;
The keypad is not allowed to show any zone or alarms information unless the user has signed in. It can only show that "Alerts" are present in the system and that is only when it is not armed. When it is armed it cannot show anything about the state of the system. When there is a power failure, the AC LED cannot show that there is a power failure until the user signs in.
The keypad is not allowed to show if the system is armed or disarmed untill the user has signed in. When the system is armed or disarmed the keypad can show the change in mode for 30 seconds



 Posted: Friday Aug 18th, 2006 06:57 pm
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Yes - I am aware how the european regulations affect the functioning of comfort.  Are all the modifcations required in the software?

I would be willing to donate time and resources to get this implimented faster, would it be possible to obtain a cytech panel and the development software to make the necessary changes? 

Thanks

Jon



 Posted: Saturday Aug 19th, 2006 02:20 am
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Thanks for the offer, but Comfort functionality is implemented in firmware, not software, so it has to be done at Cytech

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Hi Chiu,

can you let us know if you are working towards offering comfort to be security graded to european standards and if so when shall we expect it?

thanks

 

raj

http://www.gxss.co.uk

http://www.gx-security.co.uk

 



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This is an update on progress on implementing the EN50131 regulations in Comfort.
We though that it would be necessary to change the hardware to support some of the requirements, but we may have found a way to implement in firmware only. This means that you can would be able to buy a firmware plug in micro-pcb to upgrade the functionality when it becomes available.

What remains to be done is to create a new File System which supports 500 events in the event log which is one of the other requirements and of course a lot of testing



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Please note the announcement at http://www.comfortforums.com/forum25/779.html

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Any update on when this will be ready at all? I have customers lined up for this but I'm reluctant to sell until I can given them the assurance that it will comply with all necessary regulations



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I too really want this to get moving as we want to start installing the comfort panels asap!

Thanks

Jon



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We realise the urgency of this. We are testing the firmware to comply with this at this very moment. As it is a complex set of requirements we have to be very thorough and make sure we have everything covered



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The beta firmware Ultra 5.087 for EN50131/PD6662 compliance was available at the beginning of February. Has anyone had this for testing and if so, is there any feedback?



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The EN50131/PD6662 Guide for Comfort was released in the  installers forum on January 1st. This can be downloaded from http://www.cytech-technology.com/temp/techinfo/EN50131_PD6662.pdf
This requires  new firmware
Those who want to find out more or to get the firmware please contact your installer or Cytech Europe

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Comfort is now able to comply to EN50131 and PD6662 (UK Implementation). CP9000-ULT/EN03 is the Comfort Control Panel part number using the new EN03  enclosure which has been designed for this purpose. Comfort firmware ULT 5.106 and above implement the requirements, and will be supplied for all orders foor CP9000-ULT/EN03
Keypads require special firmware, designed as KP03E and KP04E, the E suffix meaning EN50131 compliant
The document "Comfort Compliance to EN50131 and PD6662" has been updated and can be downloaded from http://www.cytech-technology.com/temp/techinfo/EN50131_PD6662.pdf
Installers are advised to read and be familiar with the Comfort implemenetation of the standard. A Comfigurator default  template pd6662.cct available from http://www.cytech-technology.com/temp/software/PD6662.cct gives the basic configuration for a compliant installation. This template will be part of the next release of  Comfigurator (after 2.2.1)





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Please note that only the part number CP9000-ULT/EN03 will comply with the EN50131/PD6662 European Intruder Alarm standards. Comfort packaged in 3rd party enclosures not supplied by Cytech Technology are NOT compliant to the standards, or at least Cytech is not able to make any claims about these. Cytech-supplied products will have the Comfort Decal shown below

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Will Comfort still be available in the UK it's earlier more useful non-EN format (or can the EN version be configured back to the earlier more useful modes of working)?

I've done a few installations in the past where such conformance is not required, and might do again in the future, but I wouldn't want the EN restrictions on functionality imposed.



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I agree that the non-EN version is certainly more useful. The regulations are not designed for the interests of the end user, only the insurance companies and police
The good news is that the EN configuration is implemented as options which the installer must enable, there is a document showing how this is to be done. The default configuration is non-EN as the same Comfort version is sold around the world



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