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Comfort timers are currently only accessible from engineer mode.
Would it be possible to add a timer change function to the timer list.
If there is a timer list with the ability to alter the timers then this list could (usefully) then be available in user mode.
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| Posted: Sunday Feb 10th, 2019 05:51 pm |
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In a similar way to the time programs menu...
Also could have hours min sec rather than just sec as is now.
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 03:55 am |
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Time Programs are available in User Mode.
Timer Registers is not available in User Mode. Timers are a programming feature, so there is no need for users to change any Timers. Timers in Engineer mode are only to see the state of timers eg whether running or not
Last edited on Monday Feb 11th, 2019 08:24 am by slychiu
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 08:14 am |
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This is where i start to have MAJOR problems with cytech.
How on earth can you say suggest that users don't need access to timers OF COURSE THEY DO !
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 08:20 am |
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Your understanding of timers may not be the same as ours
Please give an example of when and how this would be useful
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 08:31 am |
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I have yesterday programmed a run on timer for a bathroom fan.
Customer is now asking if we can alter it
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Last week I programmed a gate timer - again customer is asking if they can alter the timer
In fact pretty much any instance of us adding a timer the customer would benefit from having access to view or alter the time
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 08:48 am |
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The problem is that your requests are not at all clear, then you get annoyed when you are not understood perfectly
Tiimers are programmed in Responses,
eg Do Response XXX after 10 seconds using Timer 1
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Wait for 10 seconds using Timer 2
The parameter XXX seconds cannot be changed in User Mode or Engineer It only can be changed in the Response.
Each use of the timer may have a dfferent delay
eg delay 10 seconds after event 1, delay 1 minute after event 2
We cannot always make things work in Comfort according to exactly what you want. There are limitations in time and resources.
If you want the user to have different timer delays then you can do the following
If Flag XX= 1 then Do Response 1 after 10 seconds
if Flag XX = 2 then do Response 1 after 20 seconds
etc
The flags can be programmed in Control menu so the user can select the delay
That takes a few miniues to program
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 09:30 am |
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Also run time limiters in a towel rail and an electric U/F heating circuit
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| Posted: Monday Feb 11th, 2019 12:48 pm |
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Im aware of what you are saying.......(from the designer and manufacturing perspective)l
"""that timers could be made accessible to end users but due to time and resources limitations they are not on your things to do list !"""
Here is what I am saying ( from an installer and customer satisfaction perspective)
In order to offer the customer a better Comfort Cytech experience I believe that us providing programming using a set of timers that the customer can have (limited) access to is beneficial !
If its never going to get on your list of things to do then so be it !
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| Posted: Tuesday Feb 12th, 2019 05:10 am |
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It is not as simple as "Do or Dont Do". This requires a deeper understanding of the use of timers
As I said Timers may have Different delays at different times
eg in this situation Response start delay with 10 seconds..
In another situation Response starts timer with 30 seconds..
In another situation Response starts timer with 2 minutes..
These are handled properly within responses
If you allow the user to change the timer value then what happens to the different situations that I mentioned? All get changed to the user setting which breaks what the programmer intended to do
Having a good and reliable product means it is necessary to think through the consequences of any change to product features.
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| Posted: Tuesday Feb 12th, 2019 11:30 am |
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So again to provide further differentiation between user mode and engineering mode ....... why not
Have the timer list in engineer mode contain further columns may be .......
Timer name: Change setting:
Timer status: Timer visible in user menu
T01_gate 3 min active NO
T02_Fan 20 min inactive YES
T03_TowelR 40 min active YES
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| Posted: Wednesday Feb 13th, 2019 04:06 am |
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As I said before this does not work because the same timer can have different delays at different times
eg in this situation Response start timer delay with 10 seconds..
In another situation Response starts same timer with 30 seconds..
In another situation Response starts same timer with 2 minutes..
These are handled properly within responses
The alternative of using Control menu that I mentrioned is easier and does not need these complex changes
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OK how about in the timers screen having another column for the ststus of all timers
I not that the status bar in the RHS of each timer name tab has the timer duration time left which is really useful.
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| Posted: Sunday Feb 17th, 2019 04:41 am |
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That would be useful, however Comfiguratoir is not able to find out the timer status of all timers as there is no command to access all timers. That is for the wish list
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| Posted: Sunday Feb 17th, 2019 10:24 am |
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It sounds like the original question, which is a good one, is to allow the end user easy access to change the duration of an event, but not the logic behind that event.
Ie ability to change the bathroom fan run on timer from say 30 seconds to 90 seconds?
Cytech have said, rightly, that timers can have different values in different circumstances.
As a suggestion - could a way for Cytech to think of this be use of user defined variables?
Ie Engineer would define a variable as 'BathroomFanTimer' and set an initial value. In the response logic this variable name would be used. And the user is given access to change the value of the variable.
Maybe in the variable definition the engineer sets 4 things:-
Variable Name
Initial value
Minimum value
Maximum value
The user would be limited to change the value between Min & Max only.
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That makes it even more difficult! Even andy did not suggest all these parameters
some engineers are looking at other alternatives
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No Idea who this andy chap is
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| Posted: Sunday Nov 22nd, 2020 11:09 am |
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Hi All,
I am trying something similar - basically a variable timer.
My thought is to store the timer value in a counter, then create a menu option to set the counter value, then to use the counter value for the timer.
So, something like:
Get Counter GateTimeSecs(1)
Do CloseGate After 0 Seconds Using GateTimer(1)
Will this work? Has anyone tried this?
Thanks, Clinton.
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Well interesting let us know if it works
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