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 Posted: Monday Feb 3rd, 2014 06:40 pm
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Would this not mean that there would be the same problem with vera?

Logic dictates that the fibaro uint is the issue, but I don't want to keep buying extra modules to find they don't work.

I have emailed the supplier so we can wait to see what they come back with.

Thanks

Lee 



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Hi,

Which version you should I using?

I purchsed the fibaro module on the 22/1/14 and the company who provided it says that it is the latest firmware version v2.1.

I will check when I get home.

Cheers

Lee



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Hi Lee
Can you clarify the statement below?

During this process above the 2 fibaro 2 x 1.5w module I have working stopped and detected as basic nodes again, however, as soon as I switched both sets of lights on and reinstalled (learned) they detected as multichannel switches in comfort and worked ok again

The module must have Power applied during the Learn process in order to discover them as multichannel.  The lights need not be switched on

After this step, it seems that you have got the module learned as mutllichannnel

So why did you need to repeat 1 to 3 again?

As Julian  says, you should not move the modules from the installed location.

If there is any problem just do a Learn again in UCM/Zwave, without steps 1 to 3

Let us know exactly what happens when you do a learn with Fibaro powered on


By the way the Fibaro website states there are 3 versions of the 2 x 1.5KW switch with different instructions

Version 1.4 to 1.7
Version 1.9 to 1.10
Version 2.1 to 2.3

http://www.fibaro.com/en/support#



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Hi Ident

I have 3 fibaro 2 x 1.5kw relays, 2 are working fine since you kindly replaced the z-wave daughter board, but the new one I purchased on the 22nd of January 2014 (version 2.1 – 2.3) will not include as a multichannel node.

No matter what I do and the number of times I repeat the process it is only seen in comfort as basic node, although Vera (main controller) sees both switch.

I have checked with the supplier of the new Fibaro module (vesternet) and he claimes it would have been the latest firmware. I took a look at the module last night to see if I could establish the firmware version as I am told it is on the label but could not see anything.

I have sent a picture of the label to vesternet tech guy who is very helpful to see if he can identify for sure that it is the latest firmware version.

Best Regards

Lee



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What was the firmware of the 2 units that do work?

Could it be that the 3rd switch could not be reached by Comfort Zwave or it was switched off?


You said that you were able to get it detected as Multichannel when you switch on both lights on it? Is that still true?



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Good point I will take a look at the other 2 switches tonight to see what firmware they are.

I have moved the none working switch to within 1/2 a meter of the comfort z-wave aerial and powered the unit on and it detected as a basic node.

When I refer to the lights being on this relates to the first 2 modules, during one of the learns in to comfort they reverted back to basic nodes, but this is when the power was off to this particular light circuit. As soon as I put power back on and did a learn they detected and multichannel.

The suppler has confirmed that the firmware of the switch I am trying to get working is v2.1.

Cheers

Lee

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The other 2 modules are hard to read bacause of damage to the labels, but I think they are version 2.1 as well so that rules that issue out.



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I suspect that there is a problem with the 3rd module, if the other 2 have no problem

Can the vera control the 2nd channel on all 3 fibaro 2 x 1.5kw relays?



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Yes vera can control both channels on all 3 fibaro modules.



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Hi
From my testing I was convinced it was a stability issue in the LEARN process and so I'm a bit confused here as why the switches themselves are the source of investigation.
Surely the LEARN process is wholly between the primary remote (Vera in this case) and the UCM/ZWave module and the switches don't come into it here?
I'm using 1.9 and 2.1 firmware versions in my network OK.
I added my switches over a few months as and I remember the frustration of having a completely working setup,  then I'd do another learn to add the new switch and it would revert previous multi-channel units back to Basic mode in comfigurator. I'd then keep doing the LEARN until they all appeared OK again.   The times I cursed myself thinking I'd configured things wrong only to find a LEARN again would fix it. 
I don't know how complex the LEARN code is but IMHO the robustness of that process should be something maybe that is looked at by Cytech. Maybe you cant create the "Home" conditions in your dev labs?
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The UCM/Zwave learning process obtains the network from the Controller, and info about the zwave devices eg routing slave, basic slave controller etc

The UCM Zwave also has to interrogate each of the nodes to find out if it is a multichannel device. If the device does not reply to UCM/Zwave then the device appears as a Basic node. That is why the device must have power applied so that it can reply with its status. The load need not be switched on.

Hence the problem with the 3rd Fibaro relay is that it does not respond to a query from UCM/Zwave. You will have to look at possible causes as only you can see the picture.

It is not necessary to add the modules one by one and learn one by one.

Just make sure all 3 are added to the network. If Vera is already working, then just do one time learn with UCM/Zwave. There is no need to reset to default the UCM before doing a learn. Make sure all the relays are powered by 230V when learning

Originally Julian discovered many problems with learning, where a new learn would cause some modules to revert to basic but these problems have been fixed. Many of these problems were to do with Zwave issues which were not known or known but could not be changed so we have handled all these issues since so the current Zwave firmware 7.031 should work well. Check that you are using Zwave 7.031

LLet us know the result of the above




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There may be the impression that when you have some modules already learned,  and you add a new zwave module to the network, only the new module is learned and the old ones stay put

That is not correct

When you do a learn, all the modules are re-learned.  There will not be  any duplicates. Hence when there is any change to the network, just re-learn from the primary again

This is why if any learned modules do not have power, they become basic nodes again after learning as they will not reply to the poll from the UCM




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Hi

So I done the learn process again and still no luck. Please see the attached pictures.

Node 60 is the fibaro device that won’t detect as a multichannel node.

Node 4 & 5 are the fibaro devices that do detect as multichannel nodes.

Comfort must be talking to the fibaro device as it can turn channel 1 it on and off no problem.

I am not sure what else I can do apart from buy another fibaro module, however, I suspect I will get the same problem. Can you diangnose what happend as part of the learn process if I send the code that generated in the IO monitor?

Regards

Lee

Attachment: Node 4.PNG (Downloaded 31 times)



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Vera  Node 4 1

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Vera Node 4 2

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Vera Node 4 3

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Vera Node 4 4

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Vera node 4 5

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Vera Node 4 5

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Vera Node 60

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