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 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 08:00 am
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Considering I currently have 'Alpha' and 'Beta' hardware from 2 very large well known electronic consumer organisations (one of which you will have either used or more than likely have yourself), I would beg to differ ! As I'm under NDA I cannot mention them, but we are able to assist in the development by reporting issues with the hardware and supporting software, and log and view other participants responses and feedback through a tracking system.



slychiu wrote:
Interesting suggestion, but the term Beta  is applicable to software changes.
Here there is no equivalent. We are looking for feedback as to what users prefer in the appearance design before we start the tooling and fix it

The KP06 will have upgradable firmware, which means the firmware can be upgraded by Comfort, unlike the KP04 and KP03, so if you buy the new KP06 you can upgrade the firmware when there are any changes

I hope you have indicated your preference.



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 08:04 am
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I cannot really distinguish them from these "photos". Either way, I would prefer a white version, or something that matches a CBUS Saturn DLT glass unit.



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 08:32 am
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You should have few different options. Possibly to make all the covers for easy replacement - modular. You could also have buttons in different colours. To make it simple, have few standard options and have others as optional - per order. :)



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 09:32 am
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Option A in white is preferred



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 09:57 am
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rwm wrote: B - black surround may not show dirt as easily as silver.

But I suggest the more prominently marked buttons of A, easier to see for those of us without our glasses when we need to turn off the alarm! Perhaps the characters could even be in black for maximum contrast?
The difference in contrast for the numeric symbols between the 3 options should be due to the image resolution only, not real



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pgc_uk wrote: I think there is too much changing in each design and since it is a modular system my vote would be:
Voice station (left module) from C as is had the clearest indicators and vol control
Keypad from A as it has the cleanest look
Surround from B as it is simple and has IR, although white would be prefered.
Sorry to be awkward!
I may have been misleading everyone. The keypad and LCD modules look different because they are shown at different stages of design. Actually the choice now is only in the frames or surrounds as the keypad and LCD modules designs are settled

Our apologies



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 12:21 pm
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Too big and wide!



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John W wrote:
dcrera suggested a surface mount option.

Would it be possible for the two parts (keypad and intercom)to be framed in such a manner that they will fit into something like an MK Logic plus frame. That way the customer can choose the colour and style of surround to match all other fittings in the property.

Regards,
John.

If the MK Logic Plus is the same size as a standard UK wall switch, the internal screw holes take up too much room so the modules are not able to fit in



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 12:29 pm
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securiscan wrote: Too big and wide!
What is too big and wide?
The keypad is designed to fit into a standard EU 2 gang back box so that outer size is fixed



 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 01:04 pm
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Why make a frame at all? If it is being designed to fit into standard 55mm type frames the emphasis should be on making the actual KP06 unit itself styled to suit.

Having a silver KP06 and trying to put it into the popular Gira Stainless Steel frames may look odd if they are not the same colour. You could easily resell frames from many different suppliers but the question of how good the actual KP06 looks within the other frames is most important.

The IR issue could be solved a couple of ways. I would recommend a 3 pin IR header or screw terminals on the KP06. This way the installer could either use a 3rd blank module with just an IR receiver in it or otherwise wire it to a local point in the room with other IR devices for an integrated solution (or both).

A security keypad is often one of the first things people see when walking into a house - there is a real market for ones which actually look good and integrate aesthetically. My view is that having a few colour variant of the KP06 or changable top covers is more important than the frame.



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Sorry, but our back boxes in Australia are a lot smaller.

There would be more options to install the codepad on a wall if the design was slender and upright. If a person uses their left or right hand on the numerical codepad, they could easily view the LCD display if it was located above.

 

 



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securiscan wrote: Sorry, but our back boxes in Australia are a lot smaller.

There would be more options to install the codepad on a wall if the design was slender and upright. If a person uses their left or right hand on the numerical codepad, they could easily view the LCD display if it was located above. 
I dont realise you were from Australia
Yes it would not fit your backboxes. It is already quite tight in the box and a lot of engineering was done to make it fit the uropean boxes so the current design would not go into your boxes
However we are supplying the EU backboxes so that may still be an option. It should not look odd.



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keiba_solutions wrote: Why make a frame at all? If it is being designed to fit into standard 55mm type frames the emphasis should be on making the actual KP06 unit itself styled to suit.

Having a silver KP06 and trying to put it into the popular Gira Stainless Steel frames may look odd if they are not the same colour. You could easily resell frames from many different suppliers but the question of how good the actual KP06 looks within the other frames is most important.

The IR issue could be solved a couple of ways. I would recommend a 3 pin IR header or screw terminals on the KP06. This way the installer could either use a 3rd blank module with just an IR receiver in it or otherwise wire it to a local point in the room with other IR devices for an integrated solution (or both).

A security keypad is often one of the first things people see when walking into a house - there is a real market for ones which actually look good and integrate aesthetically. My view is that having a few colour variant of the KP06 or changable top covers is more important than the frame.
We do need to supply a frame as not all customers are able to get KNX frames easily. KNX is not popular everywhere yet
But you have a point about looking good with different manufacturers frames.  The 2 modules are quite neutral and should fit into a variety of manufacturers frames. We may take photos with different frames




 Posted: Monday May 9th, 2011 01:39 pm
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Please send me the price list of your product !



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Design B with the bigger numbers of A. And availability in Black or white would be good. IR is important



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Having a security system keypad that looks good asthetically is important - especially given the fact the Comfort is by it's nature a high end product.

The type of customer chosing a residential install of Comfort are going to want this to fit with the decor and other systems like CBUS etc.

Ideally multiple faceplates should be supported, black, white etc but also looking to try and mirror faceplates like those used by the Saturn CBUS range from Clipsal.

Voice station (left module) from C as is has the clearest indicators and vol control

Keypad from A as it has the cleanest look

Surround from B as it is simple and has IR.

Paul



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petar555 wrote: Please send me the price list of your product !
The list of Comfort  distributors is at http://www.cytech.biz/dealers.php

We do not have any distributors in Serbia. If you weant to buy Comfort you can order from any nearby country or contact us direct at sales@cytech.biz



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The KP06 can be mounted in Horizontal and Vertical Orientation
An impression of the KP06 mounted vertically is shown




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Can you disable the very annoying key beeps ?



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"Design A" picture seems to have the IR receiver on it but "Design B"  doesn't .

The explanation suggests it's the other way around?

Bit confused.  :?

Julian

 

 



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